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(ONP)", "authorId": "51_Muddy_Waters", "authorName": "Carson Block and Sean Regan", "documentKindSlug": "shareholder-letter", "documentKindLabel": "Shareholder letter", "sourceTypeSlug": "short_seller", "sourceTypeLabel": "Short seller", "presentationDate": "2010-07-02 00:00:00", "orientation": "portrait", "aspectRatio": 0.77272725, "pageNumber": 7, "pageCount": 10, "prevPage": 6, "nextPage": 8, "slideType": "expose_contradiction", "function": "expose_contradiction", "density": "dense", "nDataPoints": 0, "notes": "The slide uses a Q&A format to expose red flags in a potential acquisition, with the author's internal commentary providing critical context.", "elementsJson": [ "paragraph" ], "metadataConfidence": 1, "imagePath": null, "slideHref": "/slides/019dd923-622c-750b-8b95-b524c5d9c7a3/7", "deckHref": "/decks/019dd923-622c-750b-8b95-b524c5d9c7a3", "deckJsonHref": "/decks/019dd923-622c-750b-8b95-b524c5d9c7a3.json", "deckAnchorHref": "/decks/019dd923-622c-750b-8b95-b524c5d9c7a3#slide-7", "components": [ { "bbox": null, "kind": "callout", "text": "So if you're acquiring the assets and hiring the salespeople, why don't you acquire the company instead of the assets?", "attrs": null, "subkind": null, "toolName": "Visual emphasis", "toolSlug": "visual-emphasis", "confidence": null, "componentId": "019dd953-0395-748f-9561-04e8491df7c4", "frameworkName": null, "frameworkSlug": null }, { "bbox": { "h": 0.2, "w": 0.7, "x": 0.15, "y": 0.08 }, "kind": "paragraph", "text": "A: I don't know. Q: This is a new market for you. How will you sell these products? A: We're going to be hiring the salespeople from the company selling the assets. Q: Why wouldn't the salespeople have relocated? A: Some have, but not all of them wanted to (my thought: so you'll really be competing with the seller - makes no sense.)", "attrs": null, "subkind": "paragraph", "toolName": null, "toolSlug": null, "confidence": null, "componentId": "18a2e645-063f-4cdb-b713-f6f1008c8115", "frameworkName": null, "frameworkSlug": null }, { "bbox": { "h": 0.05, "w": 0.7, "x": 0.15, "y": 0.88 }, "kind": "paragraph", "text": "Mr. Yen soon reverted that ONP is interested in a deal with WAB, and that I was welcome to visit the factory. We made plans to visit on January 4th.", "attrs": null, "subkind": "paragraph", "toolName": null, "toolSlug": null, "confidence": null, "componentId": "2144f3f5-988e-4ca7-a5c2-85ec22125ee4", "frameworkName": null, "frameworkSlug": null }, { "bbox": { "h": 0.15, "w": 0.7, "x": 0.15, "y": 0.28 }, "kind": "paragraph", "text": "Q: So if you're acquiring the assets and hiring the salespeople, why don't you acquire the company instead of the assets? Asset purchases are subject to a significant amount of tax. Registered capital purchases are not. A: I'm not sure, but actually we already acquired the assets in a way. Chairman Liu and some other shareholders bought them with their own money and are holding them until we can raise the money to acquire them.", "attrs": null, "subkind": "paragraph", "toolName": null, "toolSlug": null, "confidence": null, "componentId": "4099dba1-e1a7-45ba-bea9-12df4258aaf5", "frameworkName": null, "frameworkSlug": null }, { "bbox": { "h": 0.2, "w": 0.7, "x": 0.15, "y": 0.45 }, "kind": "paragraph", "text": "Q: Are the assets currently in operation? A: No. (my thought: So the salespeople are just sitting around waiting to be hired?) Q: At what price did Chairman Liu and the others acquire the assets? A: I don't know, but we know that the price ONP is going to pay is fair. We had a valuation done on the assets that shows we're purchasing them at a fair price. Q: Who did the appraisal? A: A Bao Ding firm - I don't know the name. (my thought: UH OH!)", "attrs": null, "subkind": "paragraph", "toolName": null, "toolSlug": null, "confidence": null, "componentId": "5b9ba2aa-b035-4804-9058-acbb6ada3dfb", "frameworkName": null, "frameworkSlug": null }, { "bbox": { "h": 0.15, "w": 0.7, "x": 0.15, "y": 0.72 }, "kind": "paragraph", "text": "Not all sounded bad during this meeting. I believed that there were some internal problems at ONP, but I was open to the possibility that the problems were manageable. I told Mr. Yen that I would handle due diligence for WAB, but that I would bring a manufacturing expert along. I emphasized to Mr. Yen that I would be very thorough and look more closely at the company than anyone else had. I said that I want to see all production lines and the Shuang Xing assets. Finally, I warned him that if Chairman Liu were not comfortable with that level of scrutiny, Mr. Yen should tell my father that ONP is not interested in a deal with WAB.", "attrs": null, "subkind": "paragraph", "toolName": null, "toolSlug": null, "confidence": null, "componentId": "b617171e-6f9a-4900-a094-7193992acfc2", "frameworkName": null, "frameworkSlug": null }, { "bbox": { "h": 0.05, "w": 0.7, "x": 0.15, "y": 0.65 }, "kind": "paragraph", "text": "Q: Why not use a major firm with an international reputation? A: I think this firm specializes in valuing this type of asset. 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